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>>> the head of nra is calling the proposed assault weapons ban a phony piece of legislation. ceo wayne lapierre insists his organization will not support any new gun regulations even after the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school. nbc's danielle lee is live on capitol hill with more. good morning, danielle. >> reporter: good morning. the leader of the national rifle association wayne lapierre sticking to his position just days after calling for armed guards in all schools. lawmakers are talking about a possible assault weapons ban and even ammunition limits but he says neither will help prevent a shooting like the one we saw in newtown from happening again. now, the national rifle association has been accused of being out of touch with america even by supporters. lapierre says he believes he's offering a solution that america wants. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, than call me crazy. i tell you what the american people -- i think the american people think it's crazy not to do it. it's the one thing that
>>> the head of nra is calling the proposed assault weapons ban a phony piece of legislation. ceo wayne lapierre insists his organization will not support any new gun regulations even after the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school. nbc's danielle lee is live on capitol hill with more. good morning, danielle. >> reporter: good morning. the leader of the national rifle association wayne lapierre sticking to his position just days after calling for armed guards in all schools....
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shame on the nra. >> one of the protesters led away after disrupting the nra speech, calling for armed guards in schools, says the group has too much influence over elected officials, and that's not all she's saying. she'll join us live. f year agai. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> right now in the newsroom, the opening bell rang at the stock exchange. stocks will close early, 1:00 eastern for the holiday. if you're wondering who's ringing the bell, these are the 12 festive dancers from the monte carlo. i wish they'd ring the bell every day, don't you? onto the news. >>> u.s. senator michael crapo is apologizing after being arrested and charged with driv
shame on the nra. >> one of the protesters led away after disrupting the nra speech, calling for armed guards in schools, says the group has too much influence over elected officials, and that's not all she's saying. she'll join us live. f year agai. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get...
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>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will he be cutting hi vacation short? does he have a royal to play? or is it up to the senate, as some are saying? >> reporter: first of all, i think it is likely we'll see him cut his vacation short. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to
>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off,...
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the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back at 2008 and the court decision at that time regarding washington, d.c.'s gun control law, how might that decision come into play if at all. >> it's going to in some way. in a very narrow sense what the supreme court decision stands for is a very important thing. for the first time in american history the supreme court defined the second amendment. it said it does apply to an individual right to own a gun but it stands only for the constitutional right to possess a handgun in the home for self-defense. it doesn't say anything a
the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back...
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would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, leave the area. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you'd rather continue to risk the alternative? >> because that's your stan
would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you...
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he is the head of the nra. that is thinking and one thing from the nraa point of view is more guns. >> gretchen: that is a great point. as parents, you are kind of hamstrung on this issue. obviously you want your kid toz go to school and be safe whether it is it a shopping mall or movie theater. but i am not sure we are to that point as parents. are we at a point where we are comfortable with this is part of our culture now and that our kids will grow up knowing to be safe they needed armed people. it is the cart before the horse in a way. i don't know. shouldn't we try to be a less violent society first? before we say that -- it is a tough question. >> clayton: you take your kids to school and you hold their hand and you want them to be safe. but is it what you want them to see walking by an armed guard? you want them safe, but is this where we are now as a society? that they have to walk past an armed guard. >> gretchen: maybe it would be conceal i get all of that, but it is still a cultural question for me.
he is the head of the nra. that is thinking and one thing from the nraa point of view is more guns. >> gretchen: that is a great point. as parents, you are kind of hamstrung on this issue. obviously you want your kid toz go to school and be safe whether it is it a shopping mall or movie theater. but i am not sure we are to that point as parents. are we at a point where we are comfortable with this is part of our culture now and that our kids will grow up knowing to be safe they needed...
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>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the biggest single hole right now if you're a felon and you walk into a gun store and you try to buy a gun and they go, oh, you're a felon and we're going to turn you do, they let you walk out and they don't prosecute you. it's like bonnie and clyde. it like clyde goes in and tries to buy a gun. he goes back to bonnie and said i got bad news, they didn't sell me a gun. the good news is they let me go, they didn't do anything to me. they go about and commit their crime. >> is senator feinstein's bill to revive the assault weapon ban going to pass? >>
>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the...
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it's the one thing that would keep people safe, and the nra is going to try do that. david: joining us now is david katz, a former u.s. federal agent and the ceo of global security group. david, is he nuts for calling for this? >> no he's not. he's not doing a great job with the pr campaign. david: what should he be doing that he's not? >> number one, the nra needs to be committed to a dialogue where they discuss these issues and most importantly, the people who are calling for gun control legislation, they need to understand that there is nothing they can craft, no words, no verbiage that is going to prevent a guy like adam lanza from getting into a school and shooting children. it is not going to happen. there are other steps that need to be taken. david: like? >> number one, you need to have meaningful security at the front door. lanza was apparently able to break his way in. that's unacceptable. the door needs to resist what's called determined force entry attempts and the amount of time it takes -- david: some kind of wire meshing or bullet-proof glass? >> yes, t
it's the one thing that would keep people safe, and the nra is going to try do that. david: joining us now is david katz, a former u.s. federal agent and the ceo of global security group. david, is he nuts for calling for this? >> no he's not. he's not doing a great job with the pr campaign. david: what should he be doing that he's not? >> number one, the nra needs to be committed to a dialogue where they discuss these issues and most importantly, the people who are calling for gun...
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should people fear the nra and why? where does this come from and why are they this untouchable group no one should challenge? >> there are 4 million members. they put their money where their mouth is, but in the last election cycle they didn't do well at all. they profiled certain senators for defeat and with the exception of one they all lost. they said that barack obama who has really been to call him cautious would be almost kind really silent on the issue. they said he would be a disaster. they lost with him. so i think that their political muscle has been very much diminished and whether it's been diminished or not people now who were formerly pro nra and were fearful of them are now ready to change their positions and vote against them. >> i want to move on and talk about the fiscal cliff. speaker john boehner certainly taking a huge hit last week with his plan b proposal, didn't even get off the ground with his own party. where does this leave things now? >> in some ways boehner was prophetic and said only gods
should people fear the nra and why? where does this come from and why are they this untouchable group no one should challenge? >> there are 4 million members. they put their money where their mouth is, but in the last election cycle they didn't do well at all. they profiled certain senators for defeat and with the exception of one they all lost. they said that barack obama who has really been to call him cautious would be almost kind really silent on the issue. they said he would be a...
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the nra is going to try to do that. >> any new gun control bill won't be taken until the new congress takes office next month. >>> lapierre's comments made the gun control debate hotter. a small but vocal group of people demonstrated outside a gun shop in falls church. the gun called for a ban on assault style weapons and ammunition and more funding for mental health programs and a push to put armed guards in schools across the country has people talking. >> i don't understand why they're here exactly. they are exercising their first amendment rights and we're here exercising our second amendment rights. >> this doesn't define us as a society. how many people should carry guns? it's the character. the character. the caliber of our character rather than the caliber of our weapon. it's just not right. >> police stood by in case things got out of hand but the demonstration remained peaceful. >>> more than five years after the mass shooting at virginia tech there is some improvement to the state's mental health system. there is still a long way to go. according to the daily progress of ch
the nra is going to try to do that. >> any new gun control bill won't be taken until the new congress takes office next month. >>> lapierre's comments made the gun control debate hotter. a small but vocal group of people demonstrated outside a gun shop in falls church. the gun called for a ban on assault style weapons and ammunition and more funding for mental health programs and a push to put armed guards in schools across the country has people talking. >> i don't...
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. >>> and the criticism against the nra. heated debate over guns is ahead. >>> welcome back. well, so far, it's been a quiet holiday season at the malls. analysts say shoppers are worried about the budget stalemate in washington or they're delayed by superstorm sandy or depressed by the connecticut school shootings. >> as we hear from nick watt, the holiday shopping season is not over yet. >> reporter: we have just entered the final frantic hours of gift buying. you look stressed. >> i have a little anxiety. i'm not going the lie. i'm tripping out. >> reporter: there are crumbs of comfort. the sign says the delayed gifts might be the best. number one, frugality i vap rates. you throw money at the problem. number two, you make a gut instinct decision. >> you want to buy a sweater for your wife. if you think about it too much, you may outthink yourself and not make a good choice. >> reporter: you to feel you perform better under pressure? >> absolutely. you have to make a good decision. you have to make a decision. >> reporter: stores stay open for the last-minute larrys. targe
. >>> and the criticism against the nra. heated debate over guns is ahead. >>> welcome back. well, so far, it's been a quiet holiday season at the malls. analysts say shoppers are worried about the budget stalemate in washington or they're delayed by superstorm sandy or depressed by the connecticut school shootings. >> as we hear from nick watt, the holiday shopping season is not over yet. >> reporter: we have just entered the final frantic hours of gift buying....
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a week after the massacre at sandy hook elementary, nra executive wayne lapierre joined the debate and here is part of what he said. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> chris: senator barasso, wayne lapierre proposed having an armed guard in every school in america. estimates are that would cost some where not the neighborhood of $8 billion a year. a couple of questions. one, would you vote at a time of deficit issues for $8 billion a year to put armed guards in every school in america? and are there any laws you can support in terms of assault guns, or assault rifles in terms of high capacity magazines, tightening background checks, any new gun controls you could support? >> letts step back for a second. i'm a doctor and father of three and from wyoming, a state where we believe strongly in our second amendment rights. we are the people of wyoming and we personally still absolutely committed to find real solutions that work. so something like this tragedy never happens again. three more of those children were laid to rest yesterday. >> chris:
a week after the massacre at sandy hook elementary, nra executive wayne lapierre joined the debate and here is part of what he said. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> chris: senator barasso, wayne lapierre proposed having an armed guard in every school in america. estimates are that would cost some where not the neighborhood of $8 billion a year. a couple of questions. one, would you vote at a time of deficit issues for $8 billion a year...
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the nra uses the media to spread its message, to raise money. that's what it is, it's a lobbying money-raising organization that gets political clout to give money to political people to give them big money to spread the message. to blame the media but it has nothing to do with using the implements of murder which have nothing to do witness. but the media that we use in a first amendment righted country to spread news, to give information, that is the culprit? out of touch. kelly: jim i was struck by what he said blaming the media and actually going out and reporting these facts that do take place, to let the american people what is going on, albeit it's very tragic and there have been copy-cats out there, but to blame the media out there. >> that is exactly right. there have been copy-cats out there. there has been kind of an iconic pre verse celebration of some of these killers who are sort of famous. there have been four movies made about the thrill killer, charles starkweather from the 1950s. four movies. i think another part of it is the im
the nra uses the media to spread its message, to raise money. that's what it is, it's a lobbying money-raising organization that gets political clout to give money to political people to give them big money to spread the message. to blame the media but it has nothing to do with using the implements of murder which have nothing to do witness. but the media that we use in a first amendment righted country to spread news, to give information, that is the culprit? out of touch. kelly: jim i was...
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the nra says it does not support any new gun control legislation and any knew efforts by congress to regulate guns or ammunition would not prevent mass shootings like the one in connecticut. the nra response is being panned on several fronts, even from republicans. >> i say not to mention guns in trying to eliminate sool violence is like not mentioning cigarettes in trying to eliminate lung cancer. it makes no sense. i am hopeful we can get this done in a bipartisan way with democrats and republicans joining together. >> i am not someone that believes having multiple armed guards in every school is something that will enhance the learning environment. that is the first responsibility inside of school is the learning environment. you don't want to make this an armed camp for kids. >> on friday president obama assembled a task force to reduce gun violence and wants concrete proposals in a month. >>> residents in mount airy, maryland, will take time out to honor the victims of the school shooting in connecticut. a candle lit vigil will be held at the mount airy fire company at route 27
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the nra opposes that. there are so many common sense gun reforms -- and i'm writing about this for a call tomorrow -- that we already have a national consensus, in judging by the polls. the nra is against even modest reforms and in a way that confirmed the idea that they have turned from a grass-roots organization into a mouthpiece for the gun industry. let's be honest. their spokesman spoke very well for the gun industry's position, saying we need to put more guns out there. whatever real debate. host: bob is a republican caller. caller: merry christmas. i was going to comment on the fairness of taxing, but i have a couple quick points about the gun problem. if that mother had licked, of the shooter, she would've been in violation of not providing a trigger locks and keeping the guns locked up in a safe. there are laws that she should of been arrested for. >guest: she should have obeid them. caller: the earlier caller comparing england with america, and there's a big difference in the gun problem, america
the nra opposes that. there are so many common sense gun reforms -- and i'm writing about this for a call tomorrow -- that we already have a national consensus, in judging by the polls. the nra is against even modest reforms and in a way that confirmed the idea that they have turned from a grass-roots organization into a mouthpiece for the gun industry. let's be honest. their spokesman spoke very well for the gun industry's position, saying we need to put more guns out there. whatever real...
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gregg: one town agrees on the nr with the nra. altoona, alabama, making sure one of its four officers are at the elementary school during school days. town residents seem to be on board with that. >> so thankful somebody will be here to stop that person because the person, the first thing i thought of is how rural we are here. that was a little rural town too, that never thought anything like that would happen to them. but we don't think that is going to happen to us either. >> we react we our emotion, if we don't do something for our school now i don't think we ever will. >>> there is always something to be done but having an officer there is the first line of defense. it drastically reduces response time. >> these teachers would take a bullet for their children and just a lot to ask because i know how much they love our children. and they do. i thank them so much. gregg: well the chief of police says the new commitment will cost a beg chunk of his budget but he is not willing to take any chances with the safety of children. heat
gregg: one town agrees on the nr with the nra. altoona, alabama, making sure one of its four officers are at the elementary school during school days. town residents seem to be on board with that. >> so thankful somebody will be here to stop that person because the person, the first thing i thought of is how rural we are here. that was a little rural town too, that never thought anything like that would happen to them. but we don't think that is going to happen to us either. >> we...